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Recruiting Issues
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tom234
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I have never paid a lot of attention to the recruiting process. I usually use this time of the year to catch up on things I've neglected during the football season, and begin to pay a little attention to college basketball and the upcoming NCAA tournament. I like fooling around with making picks for that when the time comes. I've felt that players will go wherever they will go, and there's time to get to know who they are later, if they end up making a contribution to their team of choice down the road. If they don't, then I haven't wasted time getting to "know" them, and worrying about who they will sign with. I've been posting stuff about Pryor just to have some fun with his "diary," and wonder just how much hoopla we need about tracking his every movement and thought, and if all this attention paid to someone like him is warranted. After all, he's only one person. And what does all this attention do for, or to, an 18 year old, just trying to make up his mind about which school to attend? It has surprised me to learn about the whole "industry" that has grown up around recruiting, and wonder if these people know what they are talking about when they evaluate and rank players, and what effect their opinions have on the kids they are ranking and evaluating in the long term. Are kids in general helped or hurt by all of this? Do the "scouts" know what they are talking about? Is Rivals or Scout better at predicting? Are either of them "good" in a statistical sense? Have enough of their predictions come true to warrent their existence? I honestly don't know, but would like to hear your opinions, hopefully without regard to a "my team and/or conference is better than your's" type of discussion, but just generally speaking.
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02-06-2008 12:30 PM
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Re: Recruiting Issues
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kozbee
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February 6, 2008 <SCRIPT language=Javascript src="http://vmedia.rivals.com/js/swf.js" type=text/javascript></SCRIPT> <SCRIPT language=VBScript> on error resume next For vCount = 2 to 6 If Not(IsObject(CreateObject("ShockwaveFlash.ShockwaveFlash." & vCount))) Then Else bFlash = true flashVersion = vCount End If Next </SCRIPT> <SCRIPT language=Javascript></SCRIPT> Rivals.com staff reports
<SCRIPT language=javascript> if ((bIEWindowBrowser) && (navigator.appVersion.indexOf("MSIE 6." != -1)) document.write(" " ; else document.write(" " ; document.write(" " ;</SCRIPT>  Exclusive Video: One-on-One with Terrelle PryorTerrelle Pryor choice for now is no choice. Pryor, the nation's top prospect, officially announced that he will not sign a letter of intent today. <SCRIPT language=Javascript>document.write(insertImage('/IMAGES/PROSPECT/PHOTO/TERRELLEPRYORARMY08200.JPG', '', 0, 267, 200, 1, 'Terrelle Pryor needs more time to make a decision.', 'Rivals.com', 1202318636000, '', 1014, 'Align=Left'));</SCRIPT>   Terrelle Pryor needs more time to make a decision.Pryor said at a press conference at Jeannette (Pa.) High School that Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Oregon are still in it for his services. Pryor said he needs more time to make his decision after going straight from a state championship football season into basketball season. The only QB in Pennsylvania history to rush for 4,000 yards and throw for 4,000 in his career, Pryor take a closer look at Penn State as he has never made an official visit to a school that is only a two-hour drive from his home. With a half-dozen satellite TV trucks parked outside the school gym, some from Ohio and Michigan stations, Pryor said he would delay his decision indefinitely. Pryor's decision to wait is uncommon, as most top players have long since committed, but he doesn't not have to sign until April 1, and other top high school players in the past have waited past signing day to commit. Family friends said Pryor simply is not ready to make a decision, and they are uncertain when he will make up his mind. Exclusive Video: One-on-One with Terrelle Pryor The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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02-06-2008 12:47 PM
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gatorgal2u
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Tom, One of my fav columnist Pat Dooley with the Gainesville (that's as in Florida, 99!) Sun just penned an article simular to your mood on recruiting and indeed there are those who go way over in placing importance or more properly what can be taken from it at this point in the careers of these kids. Here is his view; Recruiting just part of puzzle
There are two kinds of college football fans in this world. There are those who think recruiting is their second favorite sport. The live it, breath it, sleep it. They are a bunch of lemmings (you didn't think it was a coincidence that one of the top recruiting analysts is named Tom Lemming, do ya?) who will tell you that recruiting is the lifeblood of their sport. Then there is everybody else, those fans who sit back and make fun of recruitniks and their “heavy leans” and “quiet commitments.” They think recruiting is overblown and have a long list of five-star busts to use as examples. Actually there is a third kind of football fan and I fall into this category — the people who believe a little bit of both. Is recruiting important? Of course. Does it guarantee anything? Nope. Is it OK to make fun of a guy who tells you, “We have a soft verbal from a four-star nickel back with good hips who de-committed from Notre Dame, but he's still visiting Michigan?” Absolutely. Recruiting rankings will come out next week and will be poured over as if they were as important as the Magna Carta. They are relatively meaningless. Otherwise, how could Kentucky — with an average ranking the last four years of 50 — take Tennessee — with an average ranking of 10 — to triple overtime? Here is what strong recruiting means — it means you have a chance. Here's what poor recruiting means — you still have a chance, just not a very good one. What Urban Meyer is doing with a third straight class considered to be among the nation's best is giving Florida a chance to reach all of its goals, to win championships. The former coach at UF once told the media it wasn't “about the Xs and Os but the Jimmys and Joes.” The truth is that it's about both plus a lot more. You can win without great players, but not consistently. And you can lose with great players. Recruiting is important, but it's just one piece of an elaborate puzzle.
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02-06-2008 12:50 PM
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kozbee
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sure thing is he can make a team better but even the best have bad days and bad games,and thats true gatorgal about him being just a piece of the puzzle cause it takes a whole team to win.and like tom says hes just 1 guy but im sure with a good program he will help and better a team.
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02-06-2008 12:56 PM
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saldiven
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To address the topic of whether or not the recruiting pundits are able to accurately predict team performance, I direct you to today's news cast by Colin Cowherd on ESPN Radio. He pointed out that, over the last decade or so that these recruiting analysts have been around, the teams that have consistently recruited the most highly ranked incoming players have tended to dominate their respective conferences. Pac 10: USC has always dominated the recruiting class quality Big 10: for the last 10+ years, OSU has consistently had the best incoming class in their conference Big 12: Oklahoma and Texas are always at the top of their conference. SEC: Florida, LSU, Tennessee, and UGA have been at the top of their conference in recruiting class over the last decade. Big East: Pitt usually has the top recruiting class in their conference. ACC: over the last decade, FSU usually has the best recruiting class. If you look over the last decade or so, the teams I have listed above have, for the most part, performed consistently at the top of their conferences, respectively. This would seem to follow the recruiting "experts'" opinions concerning the quality of each team's yearly incoming players.
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02-06-2008 12:59 PM
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CMUJeff
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When Pryor decides what school he's going to, I'll be interested in hearing it. Until then, it seems like all the news that is being reported about him is that their is no news. I can't understand how reporting there are no new developments is news. This isn't limited to recruiting news, or even sports news, for that matter. Every morning at work for the past couple weeks, the Michigan fans start the day by talking about how he hasn't decided anything. Individual players, at least in football, are of little interest to me to. I like to see where the schools rank in their overall class. Nobody can say for sure how well anyone is going to do, but they are likely to fall within a certain range of what is predicted. Basketball I look at a little differently, because 1 player can have a bigger impact on the game, and because there is a greater chance that the player may be one and done in college, and probably a better chance that he will have a vast immediate impact. It doesn't surprise me that athletic departments would make a big deal out of recruiting and assuring what they believe to be the best talent come to their school, but I think they rely on their own scouts and evaluators and not on Scout or Rivals. That the fans and media care about it enough for these two to exist is a little surprising. I guess it helps the armchair quarterbacks to criticize the lack of talent their coaches get though, or the lack of production they get out of that talent. The effect it has on the recruit, I would think, varies greatly, depending on the person.
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02-06-2008 02:09 PM
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colorado24
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High school players entering college and becoming instant stars is very rare. While you will always have a few Freshmen that come in and make it big, it is extremely difficult to project how 17-18 year old young men will adapt at the next level. That being said, living in Florida as I do during the college football season. I find it exciting to see the University of Florida, the University of Miami, and Florida State University sign so many top level prospects. While I accept that none of the players could meet early expectations.As a fan of college football and especially the teams in Florida, it is nice to see Miami and Florida State compete with UF in the recruiting wars. I always find it more exciting when all the major colleges in Florida have outstanding teams . While I do not see either UM or FSU at the same level as UF right now. With the recruits both of these teams signed, it may only be a matter of time before the State of Florida will once again have 3 teams competing for the national championship.For fans of college football in Florida nothing is better than having UF, FSU,and UM at the top of the college rankings. While the football season just ended, I am already awaiting the next kickoff.
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02-06-2008 04:01 PM
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99indian
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saldiven wrote: To back you up on your first sentence, Rivals reports that slightly under 50% of "5-star" recruits never end up having a significant impact at the college level.
I guess GG2 doesn't believe that! they keep going on about how many 5 stars recruits UF has, I don't see it has made a big difference there.
The OHIO STATE University has the only Two Time Heisman Trophy winner!
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02-06-2008 04:10 PM
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saldiven
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99indian wrote:
saldiven wrote: To back you up on your first sentence, Rivals reports that slightly under 50% of "5-star" recruits never end up having a significant impact at the college level.
I guess GG2 doesn't believe that! they keep going on about how many 5 stars recruits UF has, I don't see it has made a big difference there.
What really matters is highly ranked recruiting classes year in and year out. Teams need a good, solid, consistent influx of quality new players to replace the ones that graduate or leave from injury or the draft. Now, having a lot of five star recruits is better than not having many. If it's a 50/50 crap shoot as to whether or not they will be impactful players, obviously having four is better than having two. Unfortunately, a team might get unlucky and have all four be also-rans, while two other teams with two each get superstars out of them.
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02-06-2008 04:27 PM
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